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Cory Miller (00:00:00) – Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Post Status Draft. Today I’ve got a good friend of mine, a Neil Gupta, uh, multi Dots and Multi collab, and on this subject of WordPress in the enterprise. This is gonna be a great discussion around, um, word WordPress products in general on the enterprise, but we’re really gonna focus in on products in the enterprise, the need for those. And then we’re gonna get into what an and his team have been doing for a while that’s really exciting, called Multi Collab. But Anil, um, for those of you that don’t know you, could you tell us a little bit about yourself?
Anil Gupta (00:00:34) – Sure. Um, hey, Kari, and hi everyone who’s listening. Uh, this is, uh, I’m a c e and co-founder of, um, multi Dots. Um, we have three different brands. Um, multi Dots is, uh, primary brand where we offer, um, WordPress migration and customizations. Um, on top of the multi dots. We also have multi collab, which is, um, editorial collaboration tool, uh, for WordPress. And there is another brand, it’s called, uh, dot store, where we offer, uh, e-commerce solutions for businesses. So, yeah, I, um, am managing those three brands, um, as a part of Multi Dots, uh, group of, uh, brands. And, uh, I just moved into Austin, Texas. Uh, so yeah, this is, uh, my first week here in Austin, Texas, and very excited.
Cory Miller (00:01:28) – Congratulations. I know you’re in Virginia for a while, and then you spent a couple months in India doing some amazing, uh, work there and training that I think amplifies your work, uh, with WordPress. Um, but I always love talking to you and seeing what you’re up to. And congratulations moving into the central time zone with me.
Anil Gupta (00:01:48) – Thank you.
Cory Miller (00:01:50) – Let’s get into it. So, I’m curious, one, um, with Multi Dots, you’ve done a lot of work in the enterprise, you’ve seen a lot of things. And let’s start with the, the web projects, the requirements that, uh, those organizations at scale need. They’re very nuanced from where I spent my career, more in the BDC market. Um, but what sticks out when I talk about WordPress on the enterprise to you?
Anil Gupta (00:02:16) – Hmm. Um, yeah, so it’s very interesting that even if you look at the growth of WordPress, right, uh, and the way WordPress has been able to scale for small, medium businesses, um, hobby bloggers, uh, to the large enterprises, it’s interesting. I a lot of time what happens is that if you see any software product, you know, either they will have a core focus on small, medium businesses or enterprises, or they will have a completely different, uh, a lot of time like, you know, very different software, uh, brand or addition for enterprises as well as small medium businesses. But that’s not the case in WordPress. In WordPress is the same piece of software, the same foundation that, um, a high school blogger or big enterprise like Spotify or Microsoft or whoever is using the WordPress for the enterprises, right? They’ll be using, so the, the underlying foundation and the structure is the same.
Anil Gupta (00:03:23) – But the, I think the big difference is how these both like enterprises and small medium businesses use workplace. Um, that’s I think is huge difference. And as we have been into this space, uh, specifically with multi dos, where we had a opportunity to work with lot of, uh, uh, large enterprises with, with, uh, their workplace, migrating that websites from other CMS to WordPress or customizing it, what we found is that, um, like there are the seven elements, which I understand, uh, which I learned that, uh, actually goes differently in the enterprise workplace. First is structure. So I’ll just give a very quick overview of all the seven. So, um, you know, we, can I get an idea about it? So first one is structure. So when I say the structure, so for the enterprises, it might be a multi-site. They might use WordPress as a headless.
Anil Gupta (00:04:20) – So, you know, ours might have heard these terms, but like, it can be a headless, it can be a multi-site, it can be a headless where WordPress is content creation engine, and they are actually, uh, presenting that content into other, other different, um, layers, or they’re creating the content somewhere else. And what press is a presentation layer where they’re presenting the content on a WordPress website. So that’s kind of like the structure piece of that, you know, and then comes to the compliance. So especially because they’re enterprises, you know, so there are so many different compliance like G D P R W three C, you know, like, uh, uh, uh, so all those different compliance that also something that, uh, you need to take care when we build workplace website for enterprises speed to publish. Because, uh, a lot of these enterprises, um, they, the volume of the, the content that they publish, uh, on top of that, you know, the speed, how fast they can publish, so they’re, because they are being utilized by a lot of very large team, you know, who’s creating the content or is a part of the content creation process.
Anil Gupta (00:05:34) – So speed to publish, um, is something that we pay a lot of attention to in mineral to make sure that there’s a right editorial workflow and all that. And actually at this step, you know, the multi collab that, uh, we’ll talk about later, that also comes into that because that’s why we created multi collab to provide that speed to publish, uh, uh, publishing speed, increasing that publishing speed for this enterprises, uh, performance is the, the next step. Making sure that because, um, this, the websites of this enterprises, you know, the, the views are in millions and sometimes, you know, uh, uh, hundreds of millions. So making sure that the site actually performs very well, both for content creation team as well as, uh, their visitors or the users, uh, integration. And is the, uh, number, uh, six where, you know, the, that, like when, if you look into the enterprise, what press is, you know, the, the type of integration that they require because they’re using a lot of enterprise softwares like Salesforce CRMs or, you know, uh, analytics.
Anil Gupta (00:06:45) – So there are so many different types of enterprise tools that they have been utilizing. So when they use WordPress, it’s not just a standard WordPress. They need the, their WordPress website to communicate with their other software, and that is where the integration come into the picture. So we have seen very complex and level of integrations that they need, the integration requirements that they have. And that is where also the what the, the need for enterprise WordPress pluggin comes into the picture. Because when we build or design a WordPress plugin for small, medium businesses, it’s, it has a very different application. But when you build an a product, which is more for the enterprises, you know, that is where we need to keep in a mind how, uh, the, how we design the plugin or code the plugin in a way so that this integration with the other applications, other tools also works seamless.
Anil Gupta (00:07:45) – And the last one is this support. You know, so once you take care of all these things, their need, uh, so we have a cer certain level of SLA with a lot of our clients, you know, because, uh, if, if a high schooler’s website is down for one or two days will not make that much an impact, but if an enterprise website is down for 30 minutes, they might lose, uh, millions of dollars. And we had few clients, you know, where yeah, just if their website is down, they would lose millions of dollars, and we need to make sure that we have that level of, uh, uh, uh, support, uh, in order to, to provide making sure that, you know, their website and everything works fine. So yeah, those are the seven things that we have observed when we are building a enterprise website or plugging in WordPress for enterprises we need to keep in mind.
Cory Miller (00:08:38) – Okay. Thanks for that, Neil. I, so I, I think I got five down, but could you recap what the, the names are Structure, structure number one.
Anil Gupta (00:08:46) – First is structure, second is compliance, compliance. Third is speed to publish, fourth is performance. Um, fifth is security, then integration and then support.
Cory Miller (00:08:59) – Oh, yeah, well done. You captured that as I know it from the enterprise for sure. And that also goes down all the way down the spectrum to smaller organizations for sure. I see components of all that. Um, the one I hear a lot is that speed to publish, you know, marketing managers at these big companies or small that are running, using a website, their website is a central hub and tool for promoting and growing their business, being able to get those projects done and then use it like, and, and third, I would, uh, I hear a lot is the cost. It’s much more affordable than a proprietary c m s or something like that where you got ongoing, um, fees and things. So I see speed and affordability to being able to do what you’re wanting to do for a lot less. And I think that’s incredible.
Anil Gupta (00:09:49) – Yeah. Thanks.
Cory Miller (00:09:51) – Thanks for that. And I, I think the speed to publish too, particularly with what you work on and who you work with at multi dot speed to publish, you know, those big work publishers that need to get a breaking news item out or need to have that flow really polished. I’m here to get into the product conversation in just a minute, because I know you’ve done a lot of work and I’ve learned a lot from, from you and what you’ve done with your clients. So that’s overall web, web development projects in the enterprise. They’re very nuanced, they’re complex. Um, there’s a lot of issues and for good reason, and I love that there’s agencies like Malta Dots out there, uh, doing good work and sharing the great name of WordPress, um, for the internet. Okay. Now, so we’ve seen that structure, the things that you said, the cell seven elements.
Cory Miller (00:10:38) – Now I want to get into particularly your perspective on products in the space. So, you know, my background, but for those of you that don’t ha don’t know me, I spent, uh, 11 years, um, developing one of the first WordPress product companies, and we were very much downstream from the enterprise where, uh, an organization, let’s say a nonprofit, sizable nonprofit wants to use their website, understands the value of the website, wants to be able to do certain things, that’s totally different, and I get that on the enterprise, but could you share the complexity, the needs that a enterprise organization might have in reference to a product? And here, I think we’re talking about specifically plugins, but could you give me your perspective on that and we’ll dive in deeper?
Anil Gupta (00:11:24) – Yeah. Um, so when we started Multi Dots, um, uh, before we actually, before I actually jumped into, uh, creating the product, more like a product to product business, uh, in WordPress, um, we have been building WordPress plugins, uh, for enterprises. So what I noticed that like, there are two different things. One is WordPress plugin, what enterprise and then what press products for enterprise, right? When you think from the WordPress plugin perspective, that’s where I think it goes more on the architecture and how you design the plugin. Uh, because at the time, you know, that plugin will be used by a very small group of user, uh, for in, within the enterprise. But, um, that the way they use it, you know, they’re going to use that plugin. You know, there is very personalization, like very deep level of personalizations and integrations and customizations that we need to keep in our mind.
Anil Gupta (00:12:32) – Um, and so that’s more like a plugin, just if you’re building a plugin for an enterprise. But when you think about like creating a product business or creating a product for the enterprise, that’s where I think, uh, the licensing and lot of things comes into the picture. So when we built, um, multi collab, you know, we, uh, noticed that our clients enterprises, when they started using that, um, we saw, uh, first thing that came into the picture, it was the user experience because, um, their understanding of like, their fundamental goal is to make sure that, um, their speed to publish, you know, the how fast they can create the content and publish, that’s usually is their main focus, you know, the editorial team or, or, or content creation team. But then you are not just designing a plugin for one team, you know, because then you have a marketing team, you know, they also wanna make sure that they’re, um, you know, the plugin that the, our product that we build that supports their, uh, marketing goals or vision.
Anil Gupta (00:13:44) – And then there are, uh, uh, security auditors and them. So they need to make sure that when we install the plug, they install the plugin on their website, you know, they, it doesn’t compromise their securities. And also you have to like, keep a lot of different stakeholders in a mind content creation team, then marketing team, you know, the legal team and, uh, and, and then comes to the avenue team, you know, so that’s where the licensing and the pricing and some picture. So that was an interesting experience for us that like, from creating enterprise plugin, uh, uh, it’s creating WordPress plugin sport, the enterprise, at the time we were like, you know, like focusing in a very different way, but when we converted into a product business, we, um, get to learn a lot of this little details about that, you know, we usually you miss out or we don’t pay attention to.
Anil Gupta (00:14:41) – But with multi collab Yeah. That has ha that has, that is our experience has been that, um, all those little things that I mentioned earlier, like compliance, you know, know that also is something that when we designed it, we make sure that we are complying to their, um, uh, their standards or, or whatever the other compliance that the company cares for, you know, show that also need to be embedded in that. Um, we learned about the data sharing is something that has been a big, uh, concern for the enterprises. So a lot of time what happens is what press plugins, when we have seen that, like, you know, when we install it, um, like sometimes they do, they do not have the a hundred percent transparency about how we are actually storing or processing user data and enterprises, you know, so small medium business probably they would not care much about it, but big enterprises yeah, they, for them, it, it’s, it’s really important.
Anil Gupta (00:15:40) – So that was one decision when we designed the plugin that we wanted to make sure that, especially with the multi collab, all the comment data, so all the data that you create using our plugin, like commenting, suggestions, conversation, uh, we do not store that information on our server. So the, all the data stays in the, uh, in the enterprise, that businesses server, that was the one thing, you know, because we wanted to make sure that they own the data and they have full control on how their data is being processed. Um, so we do not, so by design, we do not have any mechanism to actually get the data. But yeah, when they, the plugin crash or something that they want to report, you know, we, with that consent we asked about like, Hey, you know, in order to debug or troubleshoot this issue, we need access to this, this data. And when they give us the permission, then we access, uh, we have access to some of the data so that we can actually troubleshoot. So yeah, how we actually design the data storage and processing, um, that I think also makes, um, a big, big role play a big role in WordPress product. And
Cory Miller (00:16:48) – I hear a lot Yeah, you hit on that one. I’ve heard a lot in our member agency community is that data thing, and you go, oh, I get it. You know, they, they have to, hmm. Regulatory and legal reasons obsess over it, but also that’s, that is incredible valuable ip, the user data, their team data, all that kind of stuff. So that, that’s absolutely, I can see that vitally important. Yeah. So it, it occurs me too. So you at multi, you, you work with a lot of publishers seeing that workflow that, okay, we built them a great project to, to use, but they’re having, it seems like what I’m hearing is they have this problem with, you know, for, for the sites that I have that I’ve managed in the past, you might have a couple of people, but there’s no compliance and regulatory, it’s probably somebody publishing it, the person writing it, editing it, somebody editing it, quality control, and then publishing mm-hmm.
Cory Miller (00:17:49) – . Um, this is way more nuanced. There’s a lot of steps there. So I can see the need. So you saw the need from the publishers of like, this workflow is advanced, there’s a lot of people touching this content before it ever hits, even gets close to hitting the public. Yeah. Um, so I, I see that for sure. And I know multi-cloud is great. I was just looking at it before we started our interview, um, for our, for some of our needs. Um, and, and I think, uh, and nuance, this I’d love to talk about for a second is the, the nuance of AI where, uh, I actually saw logged in LinkedIn, and this is how I got, I went back, I knew we were, was gonna be talking to, but I thought multi collab was perfect for this. So you got LinkedIn shares, Hey, you’re one of the content experts, would you like to, um, participate in the subject?
Cory Miller (00:18:35) – And I just looked through and I saw they had generated some content, but in between the sections they put ad your perspective. And I thought, that’s so interesting. And that’s why I, I actually went back to clap mm-hmm. and was looking at it going, this is so compelling because when you have a lot of people that are invested in it, yeah. Whether it’s AI generated at the beginning or some editor at the first sides, this is where we’re gonna publish a content piece on. Um, I think that’s really, really compelling. So you’re flying in with multi-cloud, let’s get into that product too. So, you know, the typical WordPress publishing experience is that hit create new posts, headline, start with Gutenberg blocks and go down. Um, but there’s nuance there, and I think you’re doing some complex work that’s needed in this space, but tell me a little bit more about multi collab.
Anil Gupta (00:19:25) – Yeah. Um, so, um, you mentioned it tried that. If we look at the typical WordPress use case, right, when people create the content and publish it, um, even if it’s a small medium business, because that’s the one thing that I have, um, I’ve been observing, which is that it’s not just a large team, even like one or two people who just create a normal content. You know, the need for the collaboration is something that’s, uh, um, it’s, it’s very interesting. So the way, right now people actually create and publish the content in WordPress, you know, so one use case that I’m aware of is that, like, usually if when it’s a smaller, small team, you know, uh, then they will start a draft, and then they will maybe create a content, and sometimes they will take the content outside the WordPress, maybe like Google Doc or a Notion or some other place, you know.
Anil Gupta (00:20:18) – So sometimes usually their first draft is outside, so they start drafting the ideas and a content on Google Doc or a Notion or a, or a Microsoft Word doc, and then eventually, and sometimes they’ll collaborate there, you know, so they’ll create idea, we’ll invite some of the team members to maybe add an image or maybe just add some content. You know, it’s just collaborate a little bit there. And when they feel like, okay, my, the overall content is finished, looks like, you know, it’s ready to publish, they’ll copy the content and paste into the WordPress, then do some formatting fixes and stuff like that, and then they will hit the publish. So this is the, the workflow that I have seen both in small medium businesses as well as than enterprise, even more on enterprise, you know, they would, they were actually doing more this because they were missing the basic collaboration capabilities inside the workplace.
Anil Gupta (00:21:12) – Now, the problem that we see with this workflow is that, that, um, when you create a content outside workplace like Google Doc or a notion, what happens is that the, all the collaboration activities, like everything, all the conversations, collaboration activities, even the content revisions, drafts, they’re all stored in somewhere else, right? And when you’re copying and pasting the content, uh, in the WordPress, you know, then maybe there will be a little bit more, um, workflow here as well, right? So then they do some adds, and then they finalize the changes and publish it. So if you look at that from the enterprise perspective, like you have two different versions, like, you know, there is, uh, like 19, 20 different versions. Um, con is on outside the WordPress, and maybe four or five, uh, version of the same content is stored in a WordPress. Now, if you wanna go back again to do any collaboration activities, then the whole workflow is broken because half of the content was outside, and some of the users as well, you know, they don’t want to create the WordPress user account, so then they will have that outside.
Anil Gupta (00:22:26) – So that’s something that, um, we observed, and especially this copy and pasting, you know, the copying the content from the notion or, or Google, I know now it has been a little bit more easier to do that, but it’s not the, the, the issue is not how it’s if whether it’s easy or difficult. The issue that we observed that, um, our clients, enterprise clients, when they were publishing the content in this, like other way, the issues they were facing is that during this process, there were errors, there were things that they were missing it out because they did a lot of, uh, finalization on a Google Doc, but when they copy and paste the content in WordPress, it’s more like a block. If you look at the Google Doc, you know, it only has four or five formatting option, like a paragraph and image. But in Gutenberg, we have so many different types of blocks, and some of them might also be a custom blocks.
Anil Gupta (00:23:21) – So a big organization, maybe they might have like an author block or things like that. You can’t have that on a Google Doc, right? So what happens is then they have to kind of go in between the content and arrange those spaces here and there, and then they, they’re not able to collaborate and they’re copying the content back again to the Google Doc. So that’s where we see a challenge, like a problem that that is not an efficient workflow because it is leading to a lot of critical errors, but it is also slowing them down. You know, because this whole process is half of the user is on Google Doc, only three users or four users are inside the workplace, and they’re not actually collaborating on a single, um, unified platform. And that’s where the need for the, that’s where, uh, why we built multi collab so that they don’t have to do it.
Anil Gupta (00:24:11) – They can actually draft. So my vision is that with the collaboration inside workplace from draft to publish all the different steps, like the first draft, if you, uh, I don’t have the exact data, but if you see like most of the WordPress website, the first draft is not in WordPress. This is always somewhere else. And then you come here and hit publish. I want that to the entire workflow from draft to add it, to review, to publish. All those steps happens inside the WordPress and happens collaboratively. So they should be able to collaborate on the entire content. All the users, if we do that, they will have a central content, recent history. They will not have to go back and forth between multiple applications. And most importantly, um, they will be able to utilize the beauty of the blocks. So right now, uh, if you look like we build so many custom blocks for our clients, and half of the time they’re not able to use it because they’re creating 70%, 80% of the content outside the WordPress.
Anil Gupta (00:25:18) – So then all these blocks doesn’t matter. Actually, you know, what matters is just publish button for them. Like, oh, well, we just, we just come here on WordPress to publish the content, not draft or edited it. And that’s where we wanted to change it, you know? So since we did that, um, a lot of our clients, they found that publishing, like Speak to Publish, um, uh, time has been increased. And most importantly, they are able to, to, to get benefit of all those custom blocks or beautiful blocks that we have built or native blocks or other developers have built. They’re able to take an advantage of that.
Cory Miller (00:25:52) – I love that, because I, I know th this was years ago, but it still exists. Like when you’re talking about taking it from outside source into WordPress, you, you kind of bring some junk with you mm-hmm. , and it’s always a editing kind of nightmare. Cause you gotta clean up all that. And then there’s the other problem you said, which is design. It’s just you get something out here, but if it’s not in your publishing experience, it’s not gonna look the same. Yeah. Now and then throw in collaboration, the ability to come in and not disrupt, you know, it’s additive, not, you know, damaging or destructive to the, to the process. Yeah. Um, the other thing you mentioned, which is really curious, and I know you’ve got passion for this too, as the workforce project itself, and particularly Gutenberg. So Gutenberg, the code editor as it’s known now, gives the ability to do way more within the publishing experience. You’re not just, uh, stuck with a wizzywig editor headline post copy or, or bold italicize, whatever, H two s, h three s, things like that. Yeah. But Spielberg, it opens up a whole world, which is more design focused in my sense, in, in my thought. Um, I’m curious the, the collaboration and partnership between mult, what multi collab is doing, and Gutenberg and your thoughts about that.
Anil Gupta (00:27:11) – Yeah. Um, so one part is that, um, if we look at the Gutenberg, um, roadmap so far, right? Right now, it just recently announced the phase three of Gutenberg roadmap where, um, so collaboration is not something that, like collaboration is something that WordPress, um, also is paying attention to. They already announced that way before they started the Gutenberg that yeah, collaboration is important and it should be in WordPress. Um, um, so yeah, we are very excited about that, that the roadmap phase threes announced, and soon, you know, the, uh, the development will start in that we realized that, um, our customers like the, especially the enterprises, they needed the collaboration, you know, uh, uh, way before, uh, you know, because for them, it doesn’t matter for them, but people who are outside workplace community, I don’t think so that it matters for them to see this roadmap.
Anil Gupta (00:28:11) – What they want to see is like notion has collaboration, uh, Canva has collaboration, you know, uh, Google Doc has a collaboration. Like if we are pa creating the content, these are all the content creation platform, like all the content creation platform out there, providing the inline collaboration, you know, into inside collaboration. And, um, we all know that WordPress is itself is a big, um, content creation platform. You know, like, so not having the collaboration is something that actually, um, impacting that some of these enterprise or users, you know, they’re moving to even I think weeks and some other platform that I know that also has a collaboration. They started kind of like, you know, building, uh, collaboration. So that’s something that is, I think as a workforce community as, uh, together, you know, something that we need to address. And I’m glad that Berg phase three, um, is thinking about the collaboration and the roadmap that they shared. And I’m very actively involved in that and trying to share everything that we have built in multi collab, you know, with the, with the core team and see if there are any way, um, our knowledge or expertise in this area we can share, um, or collaborate with the WordPress core team as well.
Cory Miller (00:29:29) – Yeah. When, when Gutenberg initially came out, I, I was hesitant because when you change a workflow, particularly with the imprint that WordPress has on the internet, it’s, it’s really big now, years later. I, I totally see it. You know, being able to keep up and actually get the functions there that people want to get their results is so key. I’m excited that new things are still coming out with Gutenberg, not just the project itself, but always with that push to help democratize publishing on the web, but meet needs, um, there’s probably a guten block, bird block for anything you need. Yeah. Now, now. So I’m, I’m excited about that, and I know the strong connection you have with the project is absolutely core and our members at Status, I love what we do is contribute back, collaborate with the project because it’s made an indelible difference to our lives. But whatever the stat is now, it’s big on the internet with WordPress. So that’s a great connection, particularly with what you’re doing. And there’s bound to be tons of insights that you all have working with the, with that level, high level of a client doing that level of things. There’s so much insights and, and things that, innovations that can come back to the project.
Anil Gupta (00:30:50) – Yeah. All right. And we are looking forward to that too. Ya,
Cory Miller (00:30:54) – Well, we’ve talked about WordPress on the enterprise, kind of your, your thoughts and approach to how it is with some seven elements, um, to WordPress enterprise projects. We’ve gotten into specific content creation needs on the enterprise that kind of birthed the product known now as multi collab. Anything else we missed? Anil? I, I appreciate all of these insights and your vision for the industry and how to help your clients, but anything else you might have, um, thought of as we talked?
Anil Gupta (00:31:23) – Um, I think you mentioned about AI a little bit, and I know there is a huge interest at this moment. Uh, um, you know, that people are looking into, uh, AI and what WordPress or just ai, how AI can actually, we can leverage, uh, AI for WordPress. So yeah, that is also something I see an opportunity, you know, for the, because the biggest impact that I, I’m able to see, uh, with, with AI is into content creation. Like, you know, that’s the step one where we have seen the different kind of creating the content and, uh, when we think about enterprise, what press product or enterprise, what press plugin, uh, yeah, AI can also disrupt and, um, play a big role. So yeah, that might be a topic for maybe another discussion, but there is a lot that I’m also exploring in that area too.
Cory Miller (00:32:18) – Excellent. Well, that’ll be part two of this conversation that you all mm-hmm. continue your work. Um, open AI has definitely, um, been a technology boost. It’s just accelerated so many things. Yeah. And I know Matt Mullenweg, founder of the WordPress project, co-founder of the WordPress project, mentioned we need to dive in as an industry mm-hmm. , and I’m looking forward to companies like yourself, uh, doing some innovative things for clients to show that this is a great platform. WordPress is an amazing, flexible platform with, I I don’t even know, hundreds of thousands of people across the globe working on WordPress every day. The core teams involved. There’s so much good organization around that. And, uh, so the, the project has a great feature with people like you and your company, uh, working on these things. Well, Anil, thank you so much for your time today. It’s been great to talk about WordPress products on the enterprise, and we’ll look forward to two updates and what you’re doing next with your projects. So thank you for your time today.
Anil Gupta (00:33:18) – Thanks for having me here, Colleen. It was really nice talking to you.
Cory Miller (00:33:22) – You bet. Thanks everybody for visiting, go to post.com. This is another post status draft episode in the series of WordPress in the enterprise. Thank you all.
